Pastor With No Answers: The MIXTAPE Era
Pastor Joey Svendsen and a community of podcast hosts from all walks, many holding to the Christian faith (some reluctantly), coming together to de-tribe tribalism, defeat hate with love, find common ground with our fellow man and have some fun doing it. Join us and our guests as we learn more together about God, life and how to come together. Love will win. Might as well join now.
Pastor With No Answers: The MIXTAPE Era
339 - The Rise of Mars Hill Church: Was it Worth It? (w/ Matt Johnson)
Matt Johnson used to live in Mark Driscoll’s basement as “one of the interns” (inside joke you’ll find out later) and eventually became an integral part of Mars Hill Church's operations and ministries, as a pastor.
On this episode, Matt and Joey reflect on Christianity Today’s The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast, including guesswork on Driscoll’s heart, ("that only God can judge") mental state and marriage.
Reflecting on the story of Mars Hill, Matt is left with a faith unshaken but a complete distrust of the competitive-driven, consumer-minded, charismatically-led model of church-planting and that model of church in general.
We discuss here the power of charisma, “spiritual narcissism,” and whether things are different at Driscoll’s new church in Phoenix. There’s also some “Driscoll Myths” debunked, including Mark’s “they’re out to get me” narrative of the "divorce." We also ask Matt if he was personally intimidated by Mark and whether he currently has empathy for him.
At the beginning of the episode, Ellen shares with Joey and Ryan Amick, her problem with alcohol.
17 Years At Mars Hill on Mockingbird.
Getting Jesus Wrong by Matt Johnson
Getting Jesus Wrong (Matt Johnson) Episode 202
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Host and producer, Joey Svendsen also hosts and produces other podcasts. Here's one, coming more from the church world:
Seacoast Church's Things You Won't Hear on Sunday Podcast
Other podcasts affiliated with co-hosts of PWNA:
Jed's Church & Other Drugs
Matt's The Great Deconstruction
